If you’re curious, you can get a good look at SinterFire’s 9mm ammo here and their .45 ACP lead-free rounds here. Am I the only one who worries about my misses, over penetration shots, or ricochets killing a family member? Legal Disclaimer, Cruiser Ready: How to Store a Home Defense Shotgun [2020 Update]. I was unsure of the penetration ability of frangible ammo on, uh, drywall. Instead of a lead core with a copper jacket, frangible bullets are made from compressed copper powder. I'll take a premium bullet over a frangible bullet...hands down and going away...that includes Glaser rounds...I just don't have a use for them...or at least I haven't found a use that would justify the expense...I have to be familiar with the performance characteristic of particular bullet before I sign off on it for defensive use... "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Sinterfire also has a really cool promo video. 50 round quantities are packaged in our signature clear, plastic containers. :thumb: "Forget all your ideas about civilized society, boys - here's a chance to raise merry hell." Aug 11, 2020 #9 . I have a DVD from Valhalla on home defense. Frangible projectiles are lead free and produce no toxic dust upon impact.
They're designed to be "safer" in a home defense situation. alright how do you feel about using this type of ammo to prevent over penetration of target and walls to prevent secondary casualties?
ATTENTION: DUE TO THE VOLUME OF ORDERS, ITEMS MARKED AS IN-STOCK MAY TAKE UP TO 14 BUSINESS DAYS TO SHIP. Whenever the bullet strikes something harder than itself at full speed, it crumbles to pieces. You should be training (at least a little) with whatever you are using and frangible ammo is far too expensive to be practical. But a miss is still a miss. That said, my family is spread all over my home, so I would need to go to, and engage the threat. None of the rounds fully penetrated the wood, although they did alot of damage. However, there are other risks involved in shooting that don’t get quite as much attention, like ricochets and lead exposure. He mocked up 4 drywall walls (sheetrock on both sides of 2x4 frames and proceeded to shoot them with everything from 9mm frangible to .45 HP, .223, shotgun, ect. The shots were taken on an angle, with the rounds penetrating about 2.5 inches before disintegrating. DO NOT ORDER IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COMMIT TO THIS TIMEFRAME**. For those who have bought into the hype and think they're more effective, I say go kill things for yourself and see how well they actually work. Fenix FR series 9mm Luger (9x19 Parabellum) 90 grain frangible ammunition employs a patented process that uses an economical and robust binder to create a brittle network that pulverizes when hitting a steel plate. PLEASE DO NOT CALL OR EMAIL TO PLACE AN ORDER. Not sure which one they were designed for initally. I was unsure of the penetration ability of frangible ammo on, uh, drywall. WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING PRE ORDERS ON ITEMS MARKED OUT OF STOCK.
Frangible projectiles are lead free and produce no toxic dust upon impact. Proudly manufactured by American workers in Novi, Michigan.
I don't want to go to crazy with this because the odds of a violent home invasion are way low for me. - Allen Dulles, OSS Director ... My answer is yes.
Still dangerous if you’re standing on the wrong side of the muzzle, but once they hit a hard target, the bullet fragments are too small to cause any harm from ricochets. Here's some pictures of a board I shot with the .45 acp frangible ammo.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot4.htm, http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm, http://nrablog.com/post/2009/02/27/NRA-Basics-of-Personal-Protection-In-the-Home.aspx, Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. WE ARE NOT ACCEPTING ORDERS FROM DEALERS, GUN RANGES, OR GUN STORES AT THIS TIME. Do any of you struggle with this issue? - Satisfies all criteria for a reduced hazard frangible training projectile, including FLETC and FBI specifications for frangibility, - 100% lead-free projectiles function reliably and show no unusual wear on the weapon in long-term testing, - Suitable for use in fully automatic weapons and will not harm suppressor baffles.
He shot a number of different ammo types for each gun.
It is simply not not needed in most any self defense scenario. Upon entering soft tissue, the jacket and core separate with furious force of impact, resulting in mass force trauma. The wall were placed 6-8 feet from each other, in a row. Telling someone that "You Cant Shoot This" is like telling someone "Your morals are in the wrong priority". You should be training (at least a little) with whatever you are using and frangible ammo is far too expensive to be practical. 412 40 28. moe mensale said: ↑ Thanks for posting that! Hollowpoints and other frangible rounds tend to separate and tangent in your target, while ball ammo will pass through the target and potentially beyond. That also means there’s reduced risk of damage to steel targets themselves from frangible ammo.
The downside is that they're not as effective as a well designed bullet.
Upon entering soft tissue, the jacket and core separate with furious force of impact, resulting in mass force trauma. JavaScript is disabled. This is partly due to the fact that, as a shooting community, we all observe more or less the same basic safety rules which are mostly designed to keep anyone from getting unnecessarily shot. Frangible ammunition is no different than normal target ammo except the bullet.
Well… nothing harmful except the bullet, but only if you get shot with one.
With an open tipped frangible (OTF) projectile that transfers 100% of its energy into the target, these rounds track straight through a variety of soft barriers like drywall, plywood, car doors, and auto glass. They will have to hit something that is hard enough for them to come apart though. Lead-free and California-compliant. With an open tipped frangible (OTF) projectile that transfers 100% of its energy into the target, these rounds track straight through a variety of soft barriers like drywall, plywood, car doors, and auto glass. PolyFrang LLC - 5.56 mm Frangible Ammunition - SAFER, Made in the USA, Lead-free, AR500 Steel Safe, Linkable, Suppressor Safe is for use in training, defense and duty applications. Frangible ammo is a gimmick. Sinterfire makes about 90% of the bullets that go into frangible loads in the U.S. and they invited us to check out a demo of their products, which you can see in the video above. It hits a stud the danger diminishes the farther it travels through the room, think of it as a shotgun at that point.
I have acquired some of these rounds that are made of compressed material.
Frangible ammunition is no different than normal target ammo except the bullet. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have and I won't ever use them to defend my life.
© 2009-2020 LuckyGunner, LLC. I can't bunker up in my bedroom and hope my kids are OK. Also, trained police officers have a 33% hit ratio in real world shootings. Sale, ** DUE TO EXTREME DEMAND, ALL ORDERS ARE RUNNING APPROXIMATELY 4 WEEKS. Come join the discussion about collections, gear, DIY projects, hobbies, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! It is simply not not needed in most any self defense scenario. But, they also are excellent varmit rounds. That means for every hit they make, 2 of their shots miss. These are two of the problems solved by shooting frangible ammo. thats what they are designed for. My question is if they would be a viable home defense option for those of us with family members spread all over our houses? moe mensale, Aug 11, 2020. moe mensale, Aug 11, 2020. Lead-free and California-compliant. A gimmick, c’mon…Tell that to CorBon/Glaser and their Safety Slug…. They are designed not to penetrate solid objects. 250/500/1,000 round bulk quantities are packaged in 6 mil plastic bags with an enclosed desiccant pack to ensure dryness if stored long-term. $20.00
Frangible ammo is a gimmick.
Perfect for use in close quarter battle (CQB) training scenarios where projectile 'splashback' is a concern, or in environments with poor air filtration.
Follow Lucky Gunner Lounge from your Inbox! Help; Remember … Drop to a knee if you have to. For your house, the best low penetration ammo is birdshot from a shotgun.
They prevent exit damage on coyote pelts. With no lead in the projectile, there’s no airborne lead released when the bullet leaves the barrel. A forum community dedicated to survivalists and enthusiasts. If it hits just the sheet rock and nothing else they are still a danger. The Sinterfire guys were also quick to point out that their ammo is just about the cleanest you can shoot. Even the best premium JHP ammo used by PD and .gov does not always expand as advertised; there are too many variables and a 50/50 chance of the bullet striking bone. Am I the only one who doesn’t think of myself as in total control and infallible in a gun fight? Instead of a lead core with a copper jacket, frangible bullets are made from compressed copper powder. wistiaEmbed = Wistia.embed("1axn18npvo", { videoFoam: true}); Statistically speaking, recreational shooting is one of the safest hobbies you can participate in. We need to stop relying on overpriced gimmick ammo like Glaser, Magsafe, Extreme Shock, etc, and focus on common sense and safe lines of fire. It’s produced by the same guys who did all the eye candy super slow motion work on Top Shot and you should check it out. This even works for frangible rifle loads, which we got to see in action at SHOT show this year.
Need steel targets? We recommend Target Solutions USA's lineup of high quality, AR500 targets. Whenever the bullet strikes something harder than itself at full speed, it crumbles to pieces. All Rights Reserved. DKW Active Member. On top of that, Sinterfire’s Greenline ammo also uses a non-toxic primer, so there’s virtually nothing harmful released into the air. Regular price The lead-free projectiles are made with Metal Impregnated Polymer (MIP) technology designed to disintegrate upon impact, virtually eliminating ricochets and splashback. Don't shoot gimmick ammunition at the intruder and expect it to work as designed. I feel that people can shoot anything they want out of their guns.
They'll endager the life of someone behind a sheetrock partition.