on recycled recievers or a valid range of serial numbers that was reset in 1940. trajan, 6 April , 2014 in Arms and other weapons, Shipping steel asked me recently about my ‘Stack of Turks’ (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=208823&hl=stack&page=2 post 28 with 30), all those Turkish bayonets I have collected over the past 3 years or so, and most of which await cleaning and conservation, and so are not really suitable for presentation in this forum… But I thought I’d start to show a few of them, not the least because there are some bayonet collectors out there on GWF who might not know about the bayonets the Turkish army used in WW1! The regimental markings are normally (but not always) expressed in the following form: (battalion) (regiment) (company) (weapon number) For example, 1 LEIN 3 42 decodes to the 42nd bayonet of the 3rd Company 1st Battalion of the Leinster Regiment. The crossguard is stamped 77162 in Turkish Arabic, has a muzzle ring and a down-turned hooked quillion. If you strip down the marking on the pommel, for the Turkish Weapons factory? The old bayonets were chopped, the parts often mixed and matched, the blades reground, the scabbards cut, chopped, modified. dailyinfo[16]='Lieutenant Colonel Harrie Reginald LEVER O B E who died 16/11/1920 M.T. Tone Han is presumably a Turkish maker. Not exactly Osmanli or even WW1, but certainly connected as many Turkish-use WW1 bayonets are marked ASFA, indicating they were modified (shortened and/or rehilted) in the Turkish Republican period by the ASkeri FAbrikasi ('Military Factory'). //-->, By The ‘M.1903’ scabbard fittings also have a Turkish “Crescent Moon” marking and the scabbard fronts of my two have the Turkish ‘bikini-mark’ on them (see e.g., http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161354&page=5 post 111) Note also that both of the two scabbards I have for these bayonets are broken/split/damaged just before the chape at the bottom. This bayonet is an example of one of the diverse range of combat equipment that was issued to and used by the Ottoman Turkish forces during the First World War. This example was made in the USA by the Savage Stevens Co. of Chicopee Falls, Massachusetts. For many years this bayonet was part of the uniform and equipment displayed with the Turkish soldier figure which was installed in the Gallipoli gallery of the Australian War Memorial from the 1980's until 2013. So any WW1-period Turkish-use but ASFA marked bayonets were converted after that date. SS, who knows much more about these Ottoman bayonet markings than I do, might well correct me, but all the evidence that I have seen indicates that W S and C were the main if not the only suppliers of these ‘M.1903’ bayonets (W S and Co. were the third most common manufacturer of the S 98’s). wide. The one I saw was in a pretty ropey condition and so I passed it over for that 7th Manchester 1888 and a nice Greek Y 1878 with the adapted muzzle ring to fit the Mannlicher 1914. Belt Hanger (inside dome fastener): "Tiger" (2) stars and 3 letters. The Ottoman calendar date 1331 corresponds to 1913 on the Gregorian calendar, so he classified them as the M1913. dailyinfo[26]=' Brigadier General Frederick Stuart DAWSON C M G, D S O and Bar, 4 times Mentioned in Despatches Instructional and Administrative Staff Union Defence Forces who died on 26/10/1920 SOUTH AFRICAN BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE South Africa' Markings: M1874 Socket: Socket bayonet for use on the 11.4 mm. Thanks for the comment on those scabbards. However, the M1935 designation is also applied more broadly to a bewildering variety of similarly-dimensioned bayonets cobbled together using recycled parts from older bayonets. BTW the martini one is the only one that was found in archeological context ! I looked at a few examples and they look the same as mine. Most common among the rifles called Model 1938 are the K.Kale marked rifles and I have two very similar, yet very different, Turkish Mauser bayonets to show today. It was amiss of me not to acknowledge where those photographs came from - so, thanks to Deepcutmark for the Tugra and the big Weyersburg one, and Shipping Steel for the other, which is certainly much clearer than my example! The three I have are all Weyersburg Kirchbaum & Companie products, one with the date 1321, (Anno Hegira 1903 = Rumi 1905), the others having the date 1322 (see http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=208072 post no. This is the final Turkish bayonet type designed for use with Mauser rifles. All blog pages and content, including, but not limited to, photographs and text, are protected by US and International Copyright laws. Use for educational and research purposes is allowed by permission. long by 2.625 in. was made at Kirikkale. (.45 caliber) M1874 Peabody-Martini rifle. var mydate=new Date() Enjoy! It has a 20–groove, convex, green plastic grip. Knife bayonet for use on the 7.62 mm. dailyinfo[5]='356326 Officers Cook 1st Class Peter Cajetan DE SOUZA who died 05/11/1920 H.M.S. Most Kirikkale This is the one from the other thread, right? Royal Navy COLOMBO (LIVERAMENTU) CEMETERY Sri Lanka' The roughest of my two bayonets is by far the "Classic Turkish" style bayonet. So, knowing that SS has made a major study of Osmanli bayonet marks (the 1887, 1890 and 1903 series - all around in WWI!) Note that for these bayonets, unlike the 1897's and 1890's, the maker's mark was in two lines, the first line being the maker, the second being 'Fabrikasi' meaning 'its factory'. KUMASI MEMORIAL Ghana' Crudely constructed of a pressed steel hilt mated with a recycled blade from an earlier Mauser bayonet. This designation isn't even one that the Turks used, rather it is a designation In the course of research for his book, Dennis Ottobre noted that all examples he examined had the same maker's mark and date on the front face of the crosspiece. The markings are in Osmanlica (Old Turkish) script used prior to 1928. ), and so 1896/1897. were immediately absorbed by the Turkish Army. if (month<10) month="0"+month dailyinfo[15]= '1659 Rifleman Thomas Henry MATTHEWS who died 15/11/1920 11th Bn. are going to have small shank barrels even when they have the large ring of the action, you can also check the barrel size. on purpose? There are a few more from the same area and they need to be identified too. WAIUKU PUBLIC CEMETERY New Zealand' 4 Mk. the Seleucid dating system - which would make the M.1903 a M.2215...! 1943 to 150354: 36,000 rifles. even marked converted 1893 and 1903 rifles on the barrels with Model of 1938. London Regiment who died on 27/10/1920 ST. PANCRAS CEMETERY United Kingdom' That poser aside (anybody out there know the answer???!!! Should be ok now mate! These bayonets were dated at the time using the Islamic Calendar (AH) and this is certainly supported by the German factory production data which survived. And it might also be of interest to note that there is at least one of these Weyersburg 1887's with a '1306' marking (as above) that was in German service! The hilt has signs of extended pounding, as if it had been used as a hammer for many years. This seems to have been a common problem with these (see, e.g., Otto’s "Turkish Bayonets" CD, no 9-10). if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } dailyinfo[18]= 'Lieutenant Thurston George CRANSWICK M C D C M who died 18/11/1920 40th Bn.

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